Legislature(2019 - 2020)DAVIS 106

03/10/2020 03:00 PM House HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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+= HB 86 MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL: CONTRACTS/BIDS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 86(HSS) Out of Committee
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= HB 183 ALASKA PSYCHIATRIC INSTITUTE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 183(HSS) Out of Committee
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
              HB 183-ALASKA PSYCHIATRIC INSTITUTE                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:46:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY announced  the next  order of  business would  be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  183,  "An  Act relating  to  the  duties of  the                                                               
Department of Health and Social  Services; relating to the duties                                                               
of  the  Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce  Development;  and                                                               
relating  to   staffing  and  wage   standards  for   the  Alaska                                                               
Psychiatric Institute."   [Before the committee  was the proposed                                                               
committee substitute (CS) for HB  183, Version 31-LS1211\S, Marx,                                                               
3/3/20, adopted as work draft on 3/5/20.]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ZACK FIELDS,  Alaska  State Legislature,  relayed                                                               
that Version S  would address capacity and  workforce issues that                                                               
were  intimately  related to  the  safety  of both  patients  and                                                               
employees.  He  stated he had heard from providers  that when the                                                               
Alaska Psychiatric  Institute (API)  had inadequate  capacity and                                                               
people  were held  one-on-one in  emergency  departments, it  was                                                               
expensive  and   dangerous  for  [psychiatric]   patients,  other                                                               
patients  in   the  hospital,  and   employees.     The  proposed                                                               
legislation  would help  to remedy  that  situation by  providing                                                               
adequate capacity at API.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY opened public testimony on HB 183.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:47:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FAITH  MYERS,   Mental  Health   Advocate,  testified   that  she                                                               
supported HB  183.  She  said matching  staff salary at  API with                                                               
the  private sector  and  improving staff  safety  would help  to                                                               
create a stable  workforce.  She stated that in  2017, there were                                                               
over 500  patient complaints at  API; 116 patients  were injured,                                                               
90  needing medical  care or  hospitalization.   She relayed  the                                                               
Alaska State Legislature had not  given the disabled the right to                                                               
file a formal appeal for grievances    one of the few states that                                                               
had  not.   In 1992,  the legislature  knew psychiatric  patients                                                               
would   have   problems   receiving  treatment   in   psychiatric                                                               
facilities  or units.   Patients  were given  the right  to bring                                                               
grievances to an  impartial body under AS 47.30.847,  but the law                                                               
was  poorly crafted,  and  patients  did not  have  access to  an                                                               
impartial  body.   She concluded  by  saying that  a trained  and                                                               
stable  workforce, [indisc.]  state laws,  and hospital  policies                                                               
are all essential for patient recovery.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:49:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  CAMPBELL, Clinical  Social Worker,  stated he  worked at                                                               
API from 1988 to 1995 and for a  short period in 2002.  He stated                                                               
he supports HB 183.   He said API was one part  of a large mental                                                               
health  system; what  impacted  one part  of  the system  rippled                                                               
through  the whole  system, and  problems with  API were  felt by                                                               
community mental  health centers.   There had been an  issue with                                                               
API maintaining  adequate staff to  operate the hospital  at full                                                               
capacity; that put pressure on  API to discharge patients rapidly                                                               
and often before  they were ready to be discharged;  that in turn                                                               
placed an  additional burden on  community mental  health centers                                                               
which  weren't  equipped to  adequately  manage  people who  were                                                               
still acutely  disturbed and  in need of  intense services.   The                                                               
community  mental  health   centers  had  substantial  caseloads;                                                               
therefore, when  one of the  newly discharged clients  had severe                                                               
needs, it took time away from  other clients.  He stated having a                                                               
fully staffed hospital as well  as salaries that are commensurate                                                               
or  at a  premium with  other  providers would  help attract  and                                                               
retain staff.   He offered  that in addition to  salary, adequate                                                               
staff training, and support would  encourage staff retention.  He                                                               
said from  the very  beginning, the hospital  was built  for much                                                               
less capacity  than was needed;  the inadequate  capacity further                                                               
burdened  the system  and  did  a disservice  to  the people  who                                                               
desperately needed  it.   He offered  his support  for HB  183 to                                                               
raise salaries and increase the census at API.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:54:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:54:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY,  after ascertaining  that there  was no  one else                                                               
who wished to testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:54:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to adopt  Amendment 1,  labeled 31-                                                               
LS1211\S.1, Marx, 3/5/20, which read:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 4:                                                                                                            
          Delete "and"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 6, following "funding":                                                                                   
     Insert "; and                                                                                                          
               (6)  the number of allegations, and the                                                                      
     results of all substantiated incidents, of                                                                             
               (A)  violence toward a patient;                                                                              
               (B)  inappropriate seclusion or restraint of                                                                 
     a patient;                                                                                                             
              (C)  maltreatment of a patient; and                                                                           
               (D)  neglect of a patient"                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ objected for discussion purposes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT offered  the  proposed legislation  called                                                               
for  a report  on activities  specifically related  to employees,                                                               
but nothing  related to patients.   The proposed  amendment would                                                               
include the type of information  the legislature received through                                                               
the Ombudsman.   He reviewed the additional  requirements for the                                                               
report  under  Amendment  1 and  maintained  they  would  provide                                                               
information  on  how  services   were  delivered  to  patients                                                                  
particularly  the  items  of  concern   brought  forward  by  the                                                               
Ombudsman.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  said he  did not object  to the  intent of                                                               
the  proposed amendment  and suggested  adding  "or staff"  after                                                               
"violence toward  a patient"  in subparagraph  (A), [line  8], of                                                               
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:57:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:57 p.m. to 3:59 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:59:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN asked  whether the  addition of  the items                                                               
specified under  Amendment 1 to  the activity report  would raise                                                               
any  issues  for the  state  regarding  tort liability  or  other                                                               
liabilities that may  arise should the report be  published on an                                                               
annual basis.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:01:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STACIE  KRALY,   Chief  Assistant  Attorney   General;  Statewide                                                               
Section  Supervisor,   Human  Services   Section,  Administrative                                                               
Services  Division, Department  of  Law (DOL),  replied it  could                                                               
likely lead to increased litigation or other tort violations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN asked whether providing the information in                                                                
a public report would raise any Health Insurance Portability and                                                                
Accountability Act [of 1996] (HIPPA) violation issues.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY answered it would  depend how the information was being                                                               
disclosed:  if  disclosed as deidentified aggregate  data with no                                                               
way  to  identify an  individual,  there  would  be no  HIPPA  or                                                               
confidentiality issues.   She added the same would  hold true for                                                               
tort liability.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:03:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  asked  whether  adding  the  language  in                                                               
Amendment 1  would have a  significant potential of  exposing the                                                               
state to tort liability of an unknown amount.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRALY  expressed her  belief  that  the language  would  not                                                               
present significant risk of liability,  but it would increase the                                                               
risk of potential liability.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:03:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  offered  that  Amendment 1  would  be  an                                                               
invitation  to   lawsuits.    He   stressed  the   importance  of                                                               
monitoring  how  well  services   were  being  provided  at  API,                                                               
however, did  not support publishing  a report that served  as an                                                               
"open  book"  for  more investigations  costing  the  state  more                                                               
money.  He opined there may  be ways to provide that information,                                                               
but Amendment 1  would not serve that purpose.   He stated he did                                                               
not support the proposed amendment.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SPOHNHOLZ  stated   she  opposed   the  proposed                                                               
amendment.  She  offered the intent was to ensure  API was a safe                                                               
and secure facility;  however, she did not believe  that would be                                                               
achieved through  Amendment 1.   She mentioned she  was concerned                                                               
with potential  liability.  She  mentioned her work with  the API                                                               
governance  board on  legislation regarding  an oversight  board;                                                               
one requirement of the oversight  board would be an annual report                                                               
to the  legislature that  consisted of a  high-level look  at the                                                               
functionality of API in meeting its public mission.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ maintained her objection.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT   highlighted  that  the  four   items  in                                                               
Amendment 1  were in  the Ombudsman report.   He  maintained that                                                               
what increased liability was that  the violations were occurring,                                                               
and the state  was not fixing them.   He said at  some point, the                                                               
legislature must become aware of  the violations as they occurred                                                               
and take action to correct them.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:06:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR stated  she  had  been provided  information                                                               
from constituents about the rights  of mental health patients and                                                               
deficiencies in the  current system.  She  stated Alaska statutes                                                               
required a grievance procedure, that  patients be notified of the                                                               
procedure, and  that there be  an impartial body.   She mentioned                                                               
the governance  board procedures and  the Ombudsman report.   She                                                               
offered  her  understanding  that  information  was  communicated                                                               
using inconsistent  language and  through different  avenues; she                                                               
expressed skepticism  that the  information gathered  through the                                                               
implementation  of  Amendment 1  would  provide  the answers  she                                                               
wanted.  She said she was  interested in the information but only                                                               
if coordinated for consistency.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:08:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representative  Pruitt voted  in                                                               
favor  of   Amendment  1.     Representatives   Spohnholz,  Tarr,                                                               
Drummond,  Claman, and  Zulkosky  voted against  it.   Therefore,                                                               
Amendment 1 failed to be adopted by a vote of 1-5.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:08:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ moved to  adopt Amendment 2, labeled 31-                                                               
LS1211\M.1, Marx, 3/6/20, which read:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 21 - 22:                                                                                                     
          Delete "at least 55 beds in an adult civil unit"                                                                      
          Insert "at least                                                                                                      
               (A)  60 beds in an adult civil unit; and                                                                         
              (B)  10 beds in a youth civil unit"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  offered Amendment  2 would call  for 60                                                               
beds instead of 55 beds.   She stated there were 120 young people                                                               
in facilities  outside of Alaska;  they required a level  of care                                                               
that could  not be provided  by the private providers  in Alaska.                                                               
She  mentioned the  "Bring the  Kids Home"  initiative, returning                                                               
1,100  young  people  to  Alaska, and  cited  the  importance  of                                                               
trauma-informed  care and  keeping  young people  close to  their                                                               
families.  She  stated Amendment 2 would require  that API reopen                                                               
the Chilkat Youth Civil Unit [Haines].                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:09:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY removed her objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:10:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR expressed  her concern as to  whether the 10-                                                               
bed youth  civil unit under Amendment  2 could be achieved.   She                                                               
cited the  difficulty in securing professional  staff and opening                                                               
the 10-bed  unit from  nothing.  She  asked whether  the timeline                                                               
should be modified.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:11:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY maintained her objection.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:11:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLINTON  LASLEY, Deputy  Commissioner, Department  of Health  and                                                               
Social Services  (DHSS), responded  API was  gradually increasing                                                               
its census;  it was currently  50; 80 was  optimal.  He  said the                                                               
primary challenge  was staffing;  API competed with  other health                                                               
care  organizations  vying for  a  small  number of  health  care                                                               
workers.   He relayed  the Chilkat  unit was  one of  the options                                                               
DHSS was considering;  it must be done safely and  with staff "on                                                               
board."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:13:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked how  long it  would take  to achieve                                                               
the 60-bed requirement.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LASLEY answered he was not  comfortable giving a date; it was                                                               
a  matter of  safely "getting  to the  next step."   In  the past                                                               
year,  API had  gone from  a low  census -  in the  20s -  to the                                                               
current  census  of 50,  through  incremental  increases.   Until                                                               
there  was enough  staffing, the  department was  not comfortable                                                               
moving to the next phase.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:14:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR cited Section 4  of Version S, [page 3, lines                                                               
4-6], which read:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     APPLICABILITY. AS23.10.055(b), as amended by sec. 2 of                                                                     
     this Act, and AS 47.30.660(c)(3), enacted by sec. 3 of                                                                     
     this Act, apply to contracts entered into, amended,                                                                        
     extended, or renewed on or after the effective date of                                                                     
     this Act.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR stated  since the  proposed legislation  did                                                               
not  have an  effective date,  90  days after  signature was  the                                                               
point at  which any contracts  entered into would be  required to                                                               
meet the  standards under Version S.   She asked whether  the 10-                                                               
bed unit could be achieved under the timeline.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LASLEY replied  that as  deputy commissioner,  he would  not                                                               
tell the  hospital what it  could safely achieve;  the leadership                                                               
and governing  board of API would  make the decision on  the next                                                               
step.   He  reiterated the  timeline depended  on getting  enough                                                               
qualified trained staff  in place.  The  department evaluated the                                                               
issue daily.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:16:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  asked for a description  of the efforts                                                               
being taken by the department to recruit personnel.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LASLEY  reviewed  a  couple  efforts:    use  of  Wellpath's                                                               
consulting  service,  which  worked with  the  state  recruitment                                                               
office,  and   internal  efforts  through   publishing  positions                                                               
online.   He stated approximately  12 new staff members  would be                                                               
coming onboard in March [2020].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:17:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  asked  whether there  had  been  staff                                                               
turnover at API in the past nine months.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LASLEY offered to provide the requested information.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  asked whether the staffing  levels were                                                               
moving in the  right direction for a fully operational  API.  She                                                               
asked for a rough estimate of the progress.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LASLEY responded API had been  able to achieve a census of 50                                                               
and  maintain that  level  for about  6 weeks.    The next  phase                                                               
looked  positive  with  additional   staff.    He  mentioned  the                                                               
atmosphere at  API was  much better  than previously;  there were                                                               
smiles  on people's  faces.    He maintained  he  could not  give                                                               
specific dates  but attested to  the department  doing everything                                                               
it could to recruit  staff and move to the next  phase - the goal                                                               
being a census of 80.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:19:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  asked about  the  current  status of  the                                                               
Wellpath contract.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LASLEY answered the Wellpath  contract ended March 31 [2020];                                                               
the department had  looked at options for  extending the contract                                                               
for a short  period as it built  the leadership team at  API.  He                                                               
offered the department would have a  final answer in the next few                                                               
days; it was reviewing its options.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked Mr.  Lasley to  notify the  chair of                                                               
the [HSS]  committee as  to the decision    whether  the contract                                                               
was extended, for how long, and the cost of the extension.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LASLEY agreed to do so.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:20:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY referred  to Section 3 of Version  S and mentioned                                                               
the  primary  focus of  the  proposed  legislation was  providing                                                               
resources to  promote the recruitment and  retention of employees                                                               
at API in  order to meet the  standards and care.   She asked the                                                               
sponsor to  comment on the  intent behind Section  3(c)(1), [page                                                               
2, lines 21-22, of Version S].                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  relayed that when he  drafted the proposed                                                               
legislation, the  census at API was  in the 30s.   He stated that                                                               
he tried to  pick an achievable goal.  He  mentioned he supported                                                               
Amendment 2 because it reflected  the progress in the interim and                                                               
a new achievable goal.  He  stated API employees had indicated to                                                               
him over  the past year staff  at API were underpaid  relative to                                                               
similar positions in  the Anchorage job market,  and Wellpath had                                                               
not been recruiting as aggressively  as necessary.  He maintained                                                               
the intent behind  Section 3 was to ensure  adequate staffing and                                                               
capacity through a  prevailing wage standard.   He maintained the                                                               
state was  familiar with the  system of prevailing wages.   Given                                                               
the job market in Anchorage, the  system made sense to ensure pay                                                               
and benefits  were adequate to avoid  a high rate of  turnover of                                                               
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:23:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  relayed  he  was  broadly  supportive  of                                                               
establishing  targets  in  statute  but was  concerned  with  the                                                               
effective date.   He  mentioned the  possibility of  a conceptual                                                               
amendment to  establish an effective date  of July 1, 2021    the                                                               
beginning of fiscal year 2022 (FY 22).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  agreed  with  the  intent  of  the  language  as                                                               
expressed   by  Representative   Fields   yet  acknowledged   the                                                               
testimony  of   Mr.  Lasley   that  staffing,   recruitment,  and                                                               
retention of employees was dynamic.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:24:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  expressed  her concern  with  building  the                                                               
youth  unit   from  nothing  and  non-compliance   with  the  law                                                               
prompting a lawsuit.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR moved  to adopt  Conceptual  Amendment 1  to                                                               
Amendment 2, adding an effective date  of July 1, 2021, under the                                                               
"APPLICABILITY" section,  for the  requirement of a  10-bed youth                                                               
civil unit.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:25:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:25 p.m. to 4:28 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:28:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  withdrew  her motion  to  adopt  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1 to Amendment 2.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:28:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY removed  her  objection to  Amendment  2.   There                                                               
being no further objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:28:33 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR moved  to adopt  Conceptual  Amendment 3  to                                                               
include  effective dates  for the  two  provisions adopted  under                                                               
Amendment 2.  The effective date  for subparagraph (A) - "60 beds                                                               
in  an  adult  civil  unit"  - would  be  January  1,  2021;  the                                                               
effective date for  subparagraph (B) - "10 beds in  a youth civil                                                               
unit" -  would be  July 1,  2021.   Conceptual Amendment  3 would                                                               
amend the APPLICABILITY  section under Version S  to specify that                                                               
AS 47.30.660(c)(1)(A) would  take effect January 1,  2021, and AS                                                               
47.30.660(c)(1)(B) would take  effect July 1, 2021.   There being                                                               
no objection, Conceptual Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:29:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:29 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY opened public testimony on HB 183.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:31:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREE MCLEOD testified as a  family member of someone who needed                                                               
API services.   She stated she would have  preferred the proposed                                                               
legislation  specify 80  beds, since  that was  the capacity  and                                                               
there  was  a  need  to  utilize 80  beds.    She  expressed  her                                                               
conviction  the state  should operate  API;  when the  government                                                               
took away the  rights and liberties of a  person, that government                                                               
entity  should  be  held  directly  accountable,  inspected,  and                                                               
regulated.     She  maintained  the  state   should  be  directly                                                               
accountable to the person; the  responsibility cannot be ceded to                                                               
a private enterprise  who has alternative objectives    one being                                                               
profit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCLEOD  expressed her amazement  the legislature  must codify                                                               
the  provisions  under HB  183;  her  expectation was  that  good                                                               
government would require  all the positions to be  filled and the                                                               
mission of  DHSS and API executed.   She agreed years  of neglect                                                               
and lack of funding brought API  to its low point; she maintained                                                               
it should be  just as easy to  "make it right again."   She said,                                                               
"Just do  your jobs and listen  to the people who  complain about                                                               
what's going  on at API  and not dismiss  them and put  the money                                                               
forward."  She  relayed a story:  When she  worked for the Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish  and Game (ADF&G) in the 1980s,  the top three                                                               
jobs  were  statistician,  actuary,  and other  jobs  related  to                                                               
statistics.  Statisticians  were hard to come  by and forecasting                                                               
fish  runs became  increasingly difficult.   The  simple solution                                                               
was  for the  Department  of Administration  (DOA) to  reclassify                                                               
certain  positions   with  appropriate  salaries;   no  statutory                                                               
changes  were  needed;  the departments  worked  together.    The                                                               
problem was solved,  and the fish forecasts  have been excellent.                                                               
She  offered,  "We seem  to  care  more  about  fish than  we  do                                                               
people."   Even  with  the Alaska  Mental  Health Trust  (AMHTA),                                                               
technology,  and money,  "family members  are scared  to do  what                                                               
they  have to  do  when they  give away  the  liberties of  their                                                               
family members  to the state."   She concluded by  saying, "Lets                                                                
care more about people than we do fish."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:35:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY,  after ascertaining  that there  was no  one else                                                               
who wished to testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  moved to  report CSHB 183,  Version 31-                                                               
LS1211\S,  Marx,  3/3/20,  as  amended,  out  of  committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:35:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  objected.   He expressed his  concern that                                                               
the  proposed  legislation was  reactionary  to  a "snapshot"  in                                                               
time.   He  maintained  that whenever  the  legislature put  into                                                               
statute the mechanism for compensation  it made being competitive                                                               
more difficult  for the state.   He offered that by  the time the                                                               
state collected  the information,  did the analysis,  and decided                                                               
on  a wage,  the  private sector,  without  the same  procurement                                                               
rules, would  adjust its wages  quickly.  He  said it would  be a                                                               
never-ending battle  in which  the state would  never be  able to                                                               
compete.   He  suggested instead  of putting  such mechanisms  in                                                               
statute, the  legislature should  be eliminating  provisions that                                                               
limited the states  ability to  manage and attract people; in the                                                               
attempt  to remain  competitive, "we  bind our  hands so  that we                                                               
can't."  He maintained his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:38:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  expressed  her  appreciation  for  the                                                               
proposed legislation;  for increasing  the standard; and  for the                                                               
prevailing  wage   provision  that  required  wages   at  API  be                                                               
competitive.  She stated the  legislature had worked hard to fund                                                               
additional staffing  positions, to fund salary  increases, and to                                                               
give  the  department  the  tools  to  increase  salaries.    She                                                               
maintained the prevailing wage provision  gave the department the                                                               
structure by  which to  ensure people  at API  were appropriately                                                               
compensated for what  was arguably the toughest job  in the State                                                               
of Alaska.   She offered  work at API represented  public service                                                               
at its absolute finest and deserves appropriate compensation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:39:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote  was taken.   Representatives  Spohnholz, Tarr,                                                               
Claman, Drummond, and  Zulkosky voted in favor  of reporting CSHB
183,  Version  31-LS1211\S,  Marx,  3/3/20, as  amended,  out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal   notes.     Representative  Pruitt   voted  against   it.                                                               
Therefore,  CSHB 183(HSS)  was moved  from the  House Health  and                                                               
Social Services Standing Committee by a vote of 5-1.                                                                            

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